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the truth is, and grover norquist has said this, sort of the high priest of republican economics and the tea party, they want to starve the government. they want to shred the social safety net. they lost the last election. they lost the last century. they'd like to repeal much of the new deal, much of the great society, get rid of hk reform. but secondly, the hypocrisy, and jared is right about this, is extraordinary. where did most of this debt come from? it came from bush's two unfunded wars, from an unfunded medicare prescription drug benefit, from the decision that -- the set of decisions that led to the bush economic collapse in 2008. if you put all that together, that's responsible for most of this debt. and by the way, the people who are now talking about spending cuts and we really have to reduce the size of government were the folks who brought us all that. >> but are you saying that as a political matter they're aware of the concern that exists among their constituents, people who call a talk radio program like mine, and they are using that as a subterfuge to get to what th
the truth is, and grover norquist has said this, sort of the high priest of republican economics and the tea party, they want to starve the government. they want to shred the social safety net. they lost the last election. they lost the last century. they'd like to repeal much of the new deal, much of the great society, get rid of hk reform. but secondly, the hypocrisy, and jared is right about this, is extraordinary. where did most of this debt come from? it came from bush's two unfunded wars,...
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norquist pledge. he could be a real blueprint as to whether anything is going to get done in this congress and why he voted for eric cantor. plus, we're going to talk about in maryland, wolf, we've been talking a lot about mental health in relation to gun policy in this country. and in maryland, a panelist has come forth with a panel of recommendations that say, if you make a threat against somebody, a threat against their lives or makes them feel afraid, that if you have a gun, law enforcement could come and seize all of your firearms. is that fair or is that a violation of the second amendment? that's coming up, top of the hour. >> it's a good, intriguing question. i'll be watching, erin. thanks very much. sounds like an excellent show at the top of the hour. >>> other news we're following including a taliban commander who is killed in a suspected drone strike. kate's been monitoring that, some of the other top stories in "the situation room." what happened? >> this all happened in pakistan's volati
norquist pledge. he could be a real blueprint as to whether anything is going to get done in this congress and why he voted for eric cantor. plus, we're going to talk about in maryland, wolf, we've been talking a lot about mental health in relation to gun policy in this country. and in maryland, a panelist has come forth with a panel of recommendations that say, if you make a threat against somebody, a threat against their lives or makes them feel afraid, that if you have a gun, law enforcement...
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i actually agree with grover norquist on this. that particular leverage is gone and is not going to be reemerging any time soon. and i think also there are a lot more votes for that deal if we needed them. once you had 170 democrats, why would you need a huge number of republicans? there were plenty of people saying if you need me, i'll be there. frankly, if you have don't, i won't. and that's fair enough. both sides do that on a tough vote. so i think the speaker remains very strong in the conference, i think you'll see that today. and honestly we're now going to fight going forward on terrain that unifies republicans that, is cutting spending and reforming entitlements as opposed to things that divide us. >> more than a few pundits have argued on both sides of the aisle that they agree with you that the speaker is very strong within his conference and yet the fact remains this was the least effective congress that we've seen since record were kept. so what good does it do if you're okay within your conference but you're not gett
i actually agree with grover norquist on this. that particular leverage is gone and is not going to be reemerging any time soon. and i think also there are a lot more votes for that deal if we needed them. once you had 170 democrats, why would you need a huge number of republicans? there were plenty of people saying if you need me, i'll be there. frankly, if you have don't, i won't. and that's fair enough. both sides do that on a tough vote. so i think the speaker remains very strong in the...
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norquist the leader in the anti-tax movement has said that this isn't a tax increase. you're correct, that there are schisms within the gop that did not exist before but that's what a new congress does. and if the focus turns from tax policy to spending i think that you'll find that the republicans will unite. >> yeah, but i think part of the criticism as you know frank, is that here's a republican party that agreed to tax cuts but got no spending cuts and no entitlement reform out of this president, that it wasn't a great deal after all. >> and that's -- and the american people would agree with that. norah, you're correct. and so they're going to come back at this with the debt ceiling and with the budget over the next two and three months and it's going to be up to the president to prove, to demonstrate to the american people that he is serious that this deficit cannot be solved just by take increases, that in the end you've got to get entitlement programs under control and you've got to plan for the future. that's also part of this vote on sandy. you can't spend --
norquist the leader in the anti-tax movement has said that this isn't a tax increase. you're correct, that there are schisms within the gop that did not exist before but that's what a new congress does. and if the focus turns from tax policy to spending i think that you'll find that the republicans will unite. >> yeah, but i think part of the criticism as you know frank, is that here's a republican party that agreed to tax cuts but got no spending cuts and no entitlement reform out of...
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i don't care what grover norquist says no they didn't vote for a race. yes, they did. >> for the first time since 1990 republicans have agreed to raise taxes. so yes that is a huge deal. but are we going to be looking at democrats having to make major cuts. >> stephanie: right. yep. >> and the question people have to ask is what is more important, raising taxes on the wealthy? or cutting government spending? well, i think we're going to end up having both and my point is -- i think president obama could have gotten -- raising taxes on the wealthy. i think that's a pretty compelling argument and he could have gotten that without having to agree to cutting government spending. >> stephanie: uh-huh. david the hurricane sandy relief stuff, what i think is striking is that that laid bare as a lot of reasoning pointed out, that the republicans are in complete disarray, and it is things that didn't used to be a partisan issue, right? >> yeah, i think that's right. and the republican does not only have a leadership dysfunction, there are some that say the [ inau
i don't care what grover norquist says no they didn't vote for a race. yes, they did. >> for the first time since 1990 republicans have agreed to raise taxes. so yes that is a huge deal. but are we going to be looking at democrats having to make major cuts. >> stephanie: right. yep. >> and the question people have to ask is what is more important, raising taxes on the wealthy? or cutting government spending? well, i think we're going to end up having both and my point is -- i...
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. >> i want to hear from grover norquist because this logic is fantastic. passed by congress that raises taxes for the higher earners, extends tax cuts for many americans. the president reviewed a copy of the bill while vacationing in hawaii before directing it to be signed via auto pen. that's the signature machine that the presidents sometimes use while away from washington, far from a bipartisan public signing ceremony. look at this. >> it was special. he wanted to capture it. it was special. >> back at the capitol -- >> in wisconsin they were thinking about signing civil rights legislation with his hands, then decided use the auto pen. looks better for the history books. >> on the jetsons. >> there are several major issues -- >> rosie, by the way. >> -- awaiting the president's return including the impending fight over the debt ceiling. >> it's going to be ugly. >> meanwhile, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday where he insisted that republicans who backed the fiscal cliff deal did not, in fact, vote to increase taxes. >> no republic
. >> i want to hear from grover norquist because this logic is fantastic. passed by congress that raises taxes for the higher earners, extends tax cuts for many americans. the president reviewed a copy of the bill while vacationing in hawaii before directing it to be signed via auto pen. that's the signature machine that the presidents sometimes use while away from washington, far from a bipartisan public signing ceremony. look at this. >> it was special. he wanted to capture it. it...
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they had the blessings of grover norquist that this was not -- what you see is not really a tax increase. they didn't have to worry about their pledges. but it was really about their next election. >> bill: it really comes down to a question of priorities, doesn't it? >> it is more than priorities, bill. it is -- it is fundamental. what are you here for? what are you here for? are you here to just guarantee that you're re-elected? and take cautious votes because you want to make sure that you're protecting your personal flank or are you interested in the american people's flank? >> bill: well here's the question then. that's not true of all republicans but it seems -- it is certainly true of those who are driving the train right now in that republican caucus. given that and that those districts, where they came from are unlikely to change, is it even possible to govern these days? >> i think we have to govern. we don't have a choice. but it makes it that much more difficult because this fiasco we've just gone through is going to be repeated. we're going to lurch forward from one crisis t
they had the blessings of grover norquist that this was not -- what you see is not really a tax increase. they didn't have to worry about their pledges. but it was really about their next election. >> bill: it really comes down to a question of priorities, doesn't it? >> it is more than priorities, bill. it is -- it is fundamental. what are you here for? what are you here for? are you here to just guarantee that you're re-elected? and take cautious votes because you want to make...
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. >> the debate in washington continues over the fallout from the deal, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday on the "andrea mitchell reports" and insisted that republicans who back the fiscal cliff deal did not vote to raise taxes. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened was obama had this sort of ax over the heads of the american people with a $5 trillion tax increase over the next decade. the republicans are clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president is not taking them away from some people. that will hurt the economy. he got his tax increase. but he can't claim republican fingerprints on his tax increase. >> wait a second. i mean we're not living in the alice in wonder land world here. there is a tax increase for wealthier americans. it's literally a tax increase. >> well -- rates are up. >> what happened yesterday was that all the tax rates went up and then the republicans and congress together took them down for some people, not for everybody. >> so d.c. is still mixed on the new law but wall street seems to love it. the
. >> the debate in washington continues over the fallout from the deal, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday on the "andrea mitchell reports" and insisted that republicans who back the fiscal cliff deal did not vote to raise taxes. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened was obama had this sort of ax over the heads of the american people with a $5 trillion tax increase over the next decade. the republicans are clear. they want the tax...
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does grover norquist have any credibility left at this point? is he a guy that can twist arms and threaten people and still be effective the way he has been in the past? >> no. let's be very clear what this little tour from grover norquist is about. this is a cry for relevance. that is the only thing we should be seeing in what he is saying. he is trying to prove that he is still relevant. remember, three weeks ago he was singing a dramatically different tune. now he's got even as andrea mitchell pointed out, some kind of alice in wonderland fantasy land about how voting to increase is really voting to decrease. it just doesn't hold water anymore. part of the power of grover norquist is his close relationship with karl rove. karl rove has also been crippled over the past year in the process. so the two of them are not so scary anymore. >> what i found absent from his conversation today was 39.6%. why wasn't he saying this is going to be a job killer? why wasn't he saying -- >> right. >> -- he can't raise taxes on the job creators? it's like he's
does grover norquist have any credibility left at this point? is he a guy that can twist arms and threaten people and still be effective the way he has been in the past? >> no. let's be very clear what this little tour from grover norquist is about. this is a cry for relevance. that is the only thing we should be seeing in what he is saying. he is trying to prove that he is still relevant. remember, three weeks ago he was singing a dramatically different tune. now he's got even as andrea...
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grover norquist gave his blessing to the deal and justified it by saying republicans didn't technically raise taxes since the bush tax cuts expired on january 1st. he was on with our andrea mitchell today. look at what he had to say. >> no republican voted for tax increase. what happened was obama had the damocles over the people with the tax increase over the next decade that would happen automatically. the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from some people. that'll hurt the economy. he got his tax increase, but he can't claim republican fingerprints on his tax increase. >> well, wait a second. i mean, we're not living in the alice in wonderland world here. there is a tax increase for wealthier americans. it's literally a tax increase. >> well, first of all -- >> rates are up. >> what happened yesterday was all the tax rates went up and then the republicans and congress together took them down for some people, not for everybody. >> steven, does that pass the smell test? if i were to run against a republ
grover norquist gave his blessing to the deal and justified it by saying republicans didn't technically raise taxes since the bush tax cuts expired on january 1st. he was on with our andrea mitchell today. look at what he had to say. >> no republican voted for tax increase. what happened was obama had the damocles over the people with the tax increase over the next decade that would happen automatically. the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the...
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grover norquist thinks he got a great deal. he's using the 84%--it's 99% of people and 84% of tax revenue. >> keep in mind how many of a treat this is for the modern democratic party. the democrats have spent 12 years attacking the 2001-2003 bush tax cuts. they all voted against it. obama attacked it regularly. now they're out there helping to preserve that 84% of those tax cuts. and making them permanent. >> there you go. unfortunately, he's totally right. what happened? how did president obama get all these democrats oh those goddamn bush cuts. yes, we retained 99% of the bush tax cuts, and for 84% of the revenue, yes, president obama what a great job. no that is a terrible job. norquist goes further and this is the main guy whose whole point is keeping tax cuts for the rich. good night. when the dems wake up, they'll wake up and realize they made the tax cuts permanent and lost their leverage for the next four years. i'm not the only one who thinks we lost leverage. we talked to pete defauzio today. >> the democrats lost the
grover norquist thinks he got a great deal. he's using the 84%--it's 99% of people and 84% of tax revenue. >> keep in mind how many of a treat this is for the modern democratic party. the democrats have spent 12 years attacking the 2001-2003 bush tax cuts. they all voted against it. obama attacked it regularly. now they're out there helping to preserve that 84% of those tax cuts. and making them permanent. >> there you go. unfortunately, he's totally right. what happened? how did...
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so when the deal was approved ton the 1st, well, listen to anti-tax activist, grover norquist. >> so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes. >> you're saying because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday? >> yes. >> and what about the democrats? vice president joe biden is very much back in the conversation for 2016, after a shout-out from the president. >> i want to thank all of the leaders of the house and senate. in particular, i want to thank the work that was done by my extraordinary vice president, joe biden. >> reporter: but there's one problem, the fiscal mess that is so big, even deficit hawk, alan simpson, did the gangnam style to call attention to it, hasn't gone anywhere. >> let me just say that if this is a problem that we haven't dealt with before the next presidential election, 2016, nobody should want or have that job, because the country will be in such bad shape. >> so the fiscal cliff was just a preview of coming attractions. votes on the debt ceiling and those spending cuts in the fiscal cliff are just around the corner. and they could, potential
so when the deal was approved ton the 1st, well, listen to anti-tax activist, grover norquist. >> so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes. >> you're saying because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday? >> yes. >> and what about the democrats? vice president joe biden is very much back in the conversation for 2016, after a shout-out from the president. >> i want to thank all of the leaders of the house and senate. in particular, i want to thank...
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we have grover norquist who said republicans did not violate his pledge and he stood up for those who voted again. let's take a listen. >> it's 157 voted against the deal. were they against cutting taxes for almost everybody? no. they wanted to cut taxes for everybody. they are mad there was no spending restraint and taxes went up. >> while vote are for the measure, they voted against the anti-tax orthodox for the first time in decades. did this deepen the party's ideological divide? >> there is clearly a civil war going on in the republican party in terms of personalities and you saw between boehner and kantor and others. in terms of the policies. they have not come to terms with the fact that you are talking about solving the big problems and the debt and the deficits and you have to have revenue on the table. this is the dilemma they face. until they get that under control, you are continuing to see this divide to define who they are. >> i mentioned that we saw this flit and speaker boehner who voted in favor of the bill. it was brave for the speaker to vote on the bill? in the 15
we have grover norquist who said republicans did not violate his pledge and he stood up for those who voted again. let's take a listen. >> it's 157 voted against the deal. were they against cutting taxes for almost everybody? no. they wanted to cut taxes for everybody. they are mad there was no spending restraint and taxes went up. >> while vote are for the measure, they voted against the anti-tax orthodox for the first time in decades. did this deepen the party's ideological...
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the tax man is here, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, joining us now. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> why were you in favor of this? it's the first tax increase republicans have voted for in 20 years. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened is obama had the demaclese over the american people, unless the house senate and president voted on something. >> the bush tax cuts had set to expire. >> they were set to expire two years ago and obama extended them for two years without change for everybody, for himself and everyone else. then he said he was worried about the economy and he didn't want to kill jobs. now that his job was safely protected, he's less understood what happened to the economy, the tax increases that he insisted on, all the republicans in the house and the senate who voted more than once to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody permanently, so the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from some people. that will hurt
the tax man is here, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, joining us now. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> why were you in favor of this? it's the first tax increase republicans have voted for in 20 years. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened is obama had the demaclese over the american people, unless the house senate and president voted on something. >> the bush tax cuts had set to expire. >> they...
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., grover norquist tried to keep his infamous pledge from going obsolete, tweeting "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every "r" voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge." sorry, grover, the impact of the bill is absolutely a tax hike. supporting it was not unanimous, all but five republicans and three democrats in the senate voted for it, but it was much closer in the house. 151 republicans, more than half of the gop members, voted no, including majority leader eric cantor and republican whip kevin mccarthy. at the end of the day, enough lawmakers across the aisle agreed to the deal, but at a cost of extremely strained relationships. politico reports on an encounter between speaker boehner and harry reid in the white house lobby. go [ bleep ] yourself, boehner sniped, as he pointed his finger at reid, according to multiple sources present. speaker boehner refused to bring forward a bill funding emergency aid for victims of superstorm sandy. this is how republican peter king responded this morning. >> john boehner has been personally helpful
., grover norquist tried to keep his infamous pledge from going obsolete, tweeting "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every "r" voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge." sorry, grover, the impact of the bill is absolutely a tax hike. supporting it was not unanimous, all but five republicans and three democrats in the senate voted for it, but it was much closer in the house. 151 republicans, more than half of the gop members, voted...
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. >> grover norquist had this tweet where he essentially said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight, every r voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge. democrats were vehemently against all these tax cuts because they raise the deficit. these will raise the deficit by about $4 trillion. are you worried last night the deal added too much to the deficit? how come democrats have basically embraced these bush tax cuts from about a decade ago? >> let's look at what the reason was the democrats opposed those 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. it's because they weren't paid for. they blew a massive hole in the deficit, along with the two wars that weren't paid for and the medicare part d drug plan, which was a good thing but was not paid for. we need to go back to pay as you go rules. the republicans when they came in and took the majority back got rid of that requirement. we're for responsible tax cuts that help the middle class. we're not for and neither were the american people as they said in this election when they voted for president obama's reelection, were not for giving
. >> grover norquist had this tweet where he essentially said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight, every r voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge. democrats were vehemently against all these tax cuts because they raise the deficit. these will raise the deficit by about $4 trillion. are you worried last night the deal added too much to the deficit? how come democrats have basically embraced these bush tax cuts from about a decade ago? >> let's look at...
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grover norquist. we had an election and boehner was elected speaker now lame duck obama should get over it. >> okay, a boehner hasn't been -- boehner hasn't been elected to anything yet because there's going to be a fight between him and eric cantor coming up. >> stephanie: crazy cowboy, eric eric cantor. >> okay corral. and it won't be okay for you. it will be super okay for me because i moisturize. >> stephanie: oh, boehner boehner. ♪ ♪ i am just an orange boy ♪ ♪ i have squandered my influence for a pocketful of tax cuts for the filthy rich ♪ ♪ my eyes get wet still a man cries when he thinks about which fabric is the best ♪ ♪ on the house floor stands the boehner and he's whining constantly ♪ ♪ and the fiscal cliff reminds him of every vote that let him down ♪ ♪ as he cried out in his anger and his shame ♪ ♪ i'm weeping i am weeping but he still remains ♪ ♪ crying eyes ♪ ♪ crying eyes ♪ >> yea! rocky mountain mike. >> stephanie: rocky mountain mike never on va
grover norquist. we had an election and boehner was elected speaker now lame duck obama should get over it. >> okay, a boehner hasn't been -- boehner hasn't been elected to anything yet because there's going to be a fight between him and eric cantor coming up. >> stephanie: crazy cowboy, eric eric cantor. >> okay corral. and it won't be okay for you. it will be super okay for me because i moisturize. >> stephanie: oh, boehner boehner. ♪ ♪ i am just an orange boy ♪...
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grover norquist, republican lobbiest grover norquist even said the senate deal was an okay deal. he would vote for it if he were a senator, he said because republicans should still be part of it because -- this is a spin on his part because 84% of the bush tax cuts were still in place. and yet those tea party house reasoning wouldn't go along with grover norquist. we catholics say there is a problem when you are holier than the pope. well, that's the case with these house republicans. i don't know. congress is so broken i don't know how we can fix it other than in 2014 target every one of these tea party republicans with a even a responsible republican and throw out this congress. their goal is to destroy this country. arthur delaney will join us when we come back. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ every day presents another exciting issue. from financial regulation, iran getting a nuclear bomb, civil war in syria, fraud on wall street, destruction of medicare and medicaid. there are real issues here. having been a governor, i know that trade-offs are tough. things
grover norquist, republican lobbiest grover norquist even said the senate deal was an okay deal. he would vote for it if he were a senator, he said because republicans should still be part of it because -- this is a spin on his part because 84% of the bush tax cuts were still in place. and yet those tea party house reasoning wouldn't go along with grover norquist. we catholics say there is a problem when you are holier than the pope. well, that's the case with these house republicans. i don't...
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it doesn't surprise me grover norquist gave ground cover to what some of the house republicans did. it doesn't surprise me that the administration, the vice president, the president did the easy thing. the only thing i think is going to be surprising is how much of a battle that probably gets best record in 6-8 weeks regarding the debt ceiling. there has to be some type of an end game for sanity. i think everything that's happened thus far doesn't surprise me. i guess the most surprising thing i've seen in the last week is why new york fired the general manager instead of the coach. watching politicians all slap each other on the back while the country slips into a grecian like formula isn't surprising. >> are you surprised the market so far in looking at the futures has taken such a positive outlook on this? >> i don't know. to me, the fair value adjustments in the opening is far from a cohuge move in my opinion. here we are a move in the fixed income markets because of the move in stocks. i caution everybody to wait until the close because i think some of the intraday outside nois
it doesn't surprise me grover norquist gave ground cover to what some of the house republicans did. it doesn't surprise me that the administration, the vice president, the president did the easy thing. the only thing i think is going to be surprising is how much of a battle that probably gets best record in 6-8 weeks regarding the debt ceiling. there has to be some type of an end game for sanity. i think everything that's happened thus far doesn't surprise me. i guess the most surprising thing...
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grover norquist johns us now. you said the voting for this deal, which increases taxes on households earning more than 450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers make to their constituents. help our viewers understand that. lawmakers who sign that pledge promised to oppose any effort increase tax rates for individuals, for businesses. howe does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge. >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of republicans have said, look, even though what's happening is the tax cuts disappear and we're restoring them for for most people, so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes. >> you say because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday. >> yes. >> so technically they are still tax cuts. >> correct. i understand and i understand if you're a congressman or senator, you've got to convince not me that you haven't violated the pledge, you have to convince your constituents. and they need to be able to say with a straight f
grover norquist johns us now. you said the voting for this deal, which increases taxes on households earning more than 450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers make to their constituents. help our viewers understand that. lawmakers who sign that pledge promised to oppose any effort increase tax rates for individuals, for businesses. howe does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge. >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of...
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this individual grover norquist who has sponsored this pledge i'm going to read a tweet from grover norquist that we've just seen here. he said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge. and richard we talked about this in the -- >> it just passed, just passed. no more time remaining, it now has passed the house with the senate amendment. >> okay and now we're heading well over, just caution, let's wait until the gavel comes down but strange things can happen. right, 220 -- it is heading north. appears that the deal is done. we'll move on to the next fight here. what i said was, richard, you and i, a lot of us talked over the course of the last several weeks, going over the cliff would make it more feasible for republicans to vote. because after all, after midnight they were not voting to raise taxes, they're voting to cut taxes. and after not violating the pledge of grover norquist and not violating their core believes and their core principles they did have some problems with the lack of spend
this individual grover norquist who has sponsored this pledge i'm going to read a tweet from grover norquist that we've just seen here. he said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge. and richard we talked about this in the -- >> it just passed, just passed. no more time remaining, it now has passed the house with the senate amendment. >> okay and now we're heading well over, just...
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i think grover norquist is trying to save face. grover norquist and others in the republican have had to give up something they said they would never give up. they're all sounding like compromiser all of a sudden. >> what what does this aabout the tea party then? >>. >> this was a decision by boehner to go around the right side of his party. >> there's certainly been a rebalancing after the election. >> thanks very much. ali will be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern. we're not going away. history unfolding on the floor of the house of representatives. much more after this. ♪ i wish my patients could see what i see. ♪ that over time, having high cholesterol and any of these risk factors can put them at increased risk for plaque buildup in their arteries. so it's even more important to lower their cholesterol, and that's why, when diet and exercise alone aren't enough, i prescribe crestor. in a clinical trial versus lipitor, crestor got more high-risk patients' bad cholesterol to a goal of under 100. [ female announcer ] crestor is not
i think grover norquist is trying to save face. grover norquist and others in the republican have had to give up something they said they would never give up. they're all sounding like compromiser all of a sudden. >> what what does this aabout the tea party then? >>. >> this was a decision by boehner to go around the right side of his party. >> there's certainly been a rebalancing after the election. >> thanks very much. ali will be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern....
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grover norquist has absolved them and said voting for this today is not voting for a tax increase of any time, even though you're restoring some of the top rates. i think they'll get pretty fwar that argument. they're going to need to deliver some more in 2013. it's going to be difficult. again, they're convinced that when we come back to the debt limit increase, that we're going to have another discussion of entitlement reform. well, they have given up and lost a couple of big chances for entitlement reform. the best scenario they probably have had so far in the obama presidency was that summer in 2011 where the white house was surprised at every turn how far they were willing to go on demands with the debt limit. they didn't get entitlement reform then. they didn't get the super committee. they're not looking at a slightly smaller republican house majority and a slightly larger democratic senate majority cobbling some sort of entitlement reform coalition there in just two months. and i think they're going to have to -- there are going to be a lot of republicans telling their primar
grover norquist has absolved them and said voting for this today is not voting for a tax increase of any time, even though you're restoring some of the top rates. i think they'll get pretty fwar that argument. they're going to need to deliver some more in 2013. it's going to be difficult. again, they're convinced that when we come back to the debt limit increase, that we're going to have another discussion of entitlement reform. well, they have given up and lost a couple of big chances for...
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grover norquist, who is the person who gave these guys this pledge, gave cover not only to this plan but gave cover to john boehner's last plan, plan b. he is saying get away from this poisonous income tax rate discussion and then the democrats have no excuse but to focus on the spending and the entitlement issue. he gave effort. so where does the bloodymindedness come from that says i'm not even going to pay attention to that, i'm going to dig in my heels. my guess is when you see the names of the people who have decided to step up against this, these are people who want more elected positions, they want greater positions of power, they are the paul ryans, eric cantors, marco rubios of florida. no one is prepared to put the country in front of their own political interests tonight. >> that is exactly right. look, it's worth noting that among the republicans in the senate who voted against this amendment to avoid going over the cliff, two were people widely believed to be running for president in 2016. marco rubio and rand paul. that's not an accident. that's a political calculation.
grover norquist, who is the person who gave these guys this pledge, gave cover not only to this plan but gave cover to john boehner's last plan, plan b. he is saying get away from this poisonous income tax rate discussion and then the democrats have no excuse but to focus on the spending and the entitlement issue. he gave effort. so where does the bloodymindedness come from that says i'm not even going to pay attention to that, i'm going to dig in my heels. my guess is when you see the names of...
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watch grover norquist as people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal. 10-1 as byron said. spenting cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who on this stage would walk away from that deal? would you raise your hand if you feel so strongly about not raising taxes you'd walk away on the 10-1 deal. >> whoa. joining me now is review that list of greatness and other highlights and lowlights of the primary season michael steele who never had a year like this. who was always a success over there. and howard fineman. that was a scene -- you come from the roots of the republican party, sir. is that a good day or a bad day for the republicans? >> i think it was a bad day. and i thought it was interesting that later on that huntsman said, you know, i probably should have raised my hand and said i would have taken the 10-1 deal. i think he recognized after the fact that was a definitive moment where he could have
watch grover norquist as people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal. 10-1 as byron said. spenting cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who on this stage would walk away from that deal? would you raise your hand if you feel so strongly about not raising taxes you'd walk away on the 10-1 deal. >> whoa. joining me now is review that list of greatness...
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and the pledge is slowly, not completely -- >> grover norquist. >> grover norquist anti-tax pledge which is no way to run a business, no way to run a government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. that thing has haunted us for a long time. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine has helped in part helped rupert murdoch which is karl rove. many people thought even if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very smart on election night on the other network. >> we only have two people left who might please me by choosing donald trump. let's see what happens. your biggest loser of 2012? >> donald trump. it's not, it's not. >> correct! you get the ipad. >> i hate to disappoint you. it's sheldon adelson. >> yes. >> and the house lost big. >> that was great. >> steve kornacki, the biggest. >> i want an ipad, but my biggest loser is the name that was for generations the gold standard in public opinion polling. gallup. and for all of october right up to election day said romney has an advantage and is going to win this race. they had about
and the pledge is slowly, not completely -- >> grover norquist. >> grover norquist anti-tax pledge which is no way to run a business, no way to run a government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. that thing has haunted us for a long time. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine has helped in part helped rupert murdoch which is karl rove. many people thought even if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very...
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but he's got a caucus that does not want to violate the grover norquist pledge. by the way, the debt is a serious problem. and that's why i think the president and many of us were disappointed once again that we didn't get a grand bargain. everything should be on the table. but at least this time there is an outcome that is possible, that will do no harm, and will allow us to continue this debate on how to right size government and get savings in some of our benefit programs. >> all right, congressman peter welch, thank you. it appears at least the ball has been moved a little bit down the field. thank you so much. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> well, forget the politics for a second. up next, find out what the breaking developments mean for the markets tomorrow. and your paycheck. that's right. your paycheck in the coming months. more breaking news continues. stay here. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replace
but he's got a caucus that does not want to violate the grover norquist pledge. by the way, the debt is a serious problem. and that's why i think the president and many of us were disappointed once again that we didn't get a grand bargain. everything should be on the table. but at least this time there is an outcome that is possible, that will do no harm, and will allow us to continue this debate on how to right size government and get savings in some of our benefit programs. >> all...
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i think we feel good, but the republicans are going to have to ask the question do they represent grover norquist or the tea party or do they represent the american people is this we will have to ask the question whether or not we will be ultimately held hostage on the debt ceiling toop or heinous spending cuts that will impact the most vulnerable of americans. what are the republicans' intentions? will they vote on this and work in a bipartisan manner in this as we move towards the question of lifting the debt ceiling? what i think speaker boehner will have to do in his mind, he will be looking to craft out how many votes that he will have leaning on democrats. maybe his first approach will be how many republicans he can have to pass it. they will begin be unhappy and not want to be clab rattive and want to be obstructionist. that will be his challenge as to whether or not he can lead a number of his members to make the decision to vote on what has been a strained negotiations and whether or not we can do it on behalf of the american people. >> congresswoman, thank you very much. i know
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here is a court -- quote from another player -- that is from culver norquist. -- grover norquist. he is suggesting that the gop's negotiating position in the fiscal debate is stronger than being reported. that is at grover norquist for you. others have weighed in as well -- as well. here is "the new york times" -- james in oklahoma, a democratic caller. what is your take? caller: my question is, who is running this country? is it the president, the congress, or is it the american people? the american people break the back to survive on a daily basis. congress does not have that problem. i may not get to eat just because to feed -- just to feed my kids. congress does not have that problem. they do not share the problems. they do not care about our problems. all as long as they get with it and what they got. thank you. host: alex in georgia, republican color. -- caller. caller: happy new year to everybody. i think it is a win, ironically, for republicans. i think anybody of any common- sense realizes -- i will even say you are going to say $300,000 and above, even for household, tha
here is a court -- quote from another player -- that is from culver norquist. -- grover norquist. he is suggesting that the gop's negotiating position in the fiscal debate is stronger than being reported. that is at grover norquist for you. others have weighed in as well -- as well. here is "the new york times" -- james in oklahoma, a democratic caller. what is your take? caller: my question is, who is running this country? is it the president, the congress, or is it the american...
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absolutely. >> and grover norquist seems to have approved this deal. approved plan b which a lot of republicans didn't support. he couldn't get it to a floor vote. said this is okay. guys like and you many like you across the country are in districts that are not competitive in the general election, they are competitive in the primary, so you have to tack to the side of your party. and that means that it makes it harder for guys like you to compromi compromise, you are keeping an open mind. given your general history, you wouldn't like this deal? >> you stated it perfectly. grover gorgeous kwis well respected. did i sign that pledge in 2002, and that was not just a pledge to grover norquist, u.s. a pledge to the constituents who voted for me over the other two guys, pretty good candidates as well. grover could say theoretically we've gone over the cliff. everyone's taxes have gone up, at least for 12 hours, and a vote would be a vote to lower taxes for everybody under $400,000, and i'm just not sure the people in the 11th of georgia will see it that wa
absolutely. >> and grover norquist seems to have approved this deal. approved plan b which a lot of republicans didn't support. he couldn't get it to a floor vote. said this is okay. guys like and you many like you across the country are in districts that are not competitive in the general election, they are competitive in the primary, so you have to tack to the side of your party. and that means that it makes it harder for guys like you to compromi compromise, you are keeping an open...
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and the fact of the matter is grover norquist, this just shows how little power grover has. grover is a friend and i like him. however remember with plan "b." he endorsed plan "b" and we shot it down. we had more than 50 republicans against that bill. grover norquist's power is really -- i mean it's just washington created. it's media created. >> you think it's over for grover? >> i'm not saying it's over for grover. he has a great pledge. he does great work. but to say that he's some sort of like magician behind the curtain is absolute fallacy. >> all right ron meyer, thanks for joining us this thorng. happy new year. >> you, too. >> some republicans we hear that the president has not been leading, he's been awol, where's the democratic leadership? he said president forced them into it and they were all celebrating in their offices last night. >> ron meyer sounds like a guy who actually got a lot of sleep last night. >> all right coming up on "early start," finally, closure, in the infamous case of pardon for civil rights activists 40 years in the making. you can watch us a
and the fact of the matter is grover norquist, this just shows how little power grover has. grover is a friend and i like him. however remember with plan "b." he endorsed plan "b" and we shot it down. we had more than 50 republicans against that bill. grover norquist's power is really -- i mean it's just washington created. it's media created. >> you think it's over for grover? >> i'm not saying it's over for grover. he has a great pledge. he does great work. but...
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i think it is quite telling that earlier this evening, last evening, grover norquist said he is for this bill, but our former secretary of labor bob reich is opposed. so maybe now, maybe now i guess we are all believers in trickledown economics. not i. i guess we redefine the middle class as those making $400,000 a year when, in fact, that represents the top 1% of income earners in america, not the middle class. so i guess that we now accept as normal practice in reaching bipartisan deals that the most vulnerable in our country like those who are out of work and who depend on unemployment benefits can be held hostage as a bargaining chip for more tax breaks for the richest among us. now, i'm not saying that everything in this deal is bad. there are some good parts of this, but i repeat i am concerned about this constant drift bit by bit, deal by deal toward more deficits, less job creation, more unfairness, less economic justice, a society where the gap grows wider between the few who have much and the many who have too little. so, mr. president, for these reasons, i must in conscience v
i think it is quite telling that earlier this evening, last evening, grover norquist said he is for this bill, but our former secretary of labor bob reich is opposed. so maybe now, maybe now i guess we are all believers in trickledown economics. not i. i guess we redefine the middle class as those making $400,000 a year when, in fact, that represents the top 1% of income earners in america, not the middle class. so i guess that we now accept as normal practice in reaching bipartisan deals that...
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i have spoken to grover norquist and wolf has spoken to grover norquist more than we have spoken to our families in the last few days. he's making an interesting philosophical point. if we let these guys go ahead with some kind of tax increase on people above $450,000, we can then move the discussion to spending. so far, the spending is a much more complicated part of the deal. it's a much harder deal to make than to arrive at what percentage to charge and at what threshold. the republicans are hoping that this debate that goes on for two months and longer is now going to go to spending. is that a good bet? >> mark that on your fiscal calendar. when jessica said to us the deal with the sequester, which has been the big open question. remember house republicans' questioning of this. when that gets moved to february, we're doing this all over again. maybe there's a chance to get our deficit and debt in line. the downside, we're going to be playing with fire again walking right up by the edge of the cliff. >> the tax rate and how much you tax, that was actually never really a grand bargain
i have spoken to grover norquist and wolf has spoken to grover norquist more than we have spoken to our families in the last few days. he's making an interesting philosophical point. if we let these guys go ahead with some kind of tax increase on people above $450,000, we can then move the discussion to spending. so far, the spending is a much more complicated part of the deal. it's a much harder deal to make than to arrive at what percentage to charge and at what threshold. the republicans are...
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grover norquist with the president. robert reich against the president. >> i was listening to that interview closely. we're going to have him on later again. that was quite remarkable. i think that's what you're seeing playing out here. everything doesn't fit neatly into the corners here. there are republicans who think that threshold above which people will pay extra tax is too high, doesn't bring enough revenue in, and grover norquist, i was very surprised when he told you he thinks this deal, he hasn't read it, meets the smell test and he would give approval for republicans to vote for it. >> republicans in the house tomorrow as well. stand by for a moment. the u.s. draws closer and closer to that fiscal cliff. the defense department is facing billions in budget cuts. how a furlough could affect civilian employees in the u.s. and around the world. oh, hey mike. what are you up to? oh, just diagramming this accident with my state farm pocket agent app. you can also get a quote and pay your premium with this thing. i t
grover norquist with the president. robert reich against the president. >> i was listening to that interview closely. we're going to have him on later again. that was quite remarkable. i think that's what you're seeing playing out here. everything doesn't fit neatly into the corners here. there are republicans who think that threshold above which people will pay extra tax is too high, doesn't bring enough revenue in, and grover norquist, i was very surprised when he told you he thinks...
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. >> the democrats don't have a grover norquist. >> group of people in the house of representatives slapped around their own leader. >> there's a word called compromise. >> it doesn't work this way. >> how does it work? >> basic fairness. >> i love that you are the last person i want to talk to before i go to sleep at night. >> a lot of democrats get mad at me. >> i am cautiously optimistic. >> the vice president and i worked together on solutions before. we can again. >> you say things like that and you make it impossible for me to hate you. >> but the american people elected me to put forward a balanced approach. >> my whole life i don't know what this song means. it means should old acquaintance be forgot. >> i want to wish everybody a happy new year. >> let's bring in the new year with our panel, jimmy williams and susan del percio and angela, general counsel for the congressional black caucus. welcome all of you. jimmy, let's start with the fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we're hearing about a strange marriage between minority leader mitch mcconnell and the vice president. why is the
. >> the democrats don't have a grover norquist. >> group of people in the house of representatives slapped around their own leader. >> there's a word called compromise. >> it doesn't work this way. >> how does it work? >> basic fairness. >> i love that you are the last person i want to talk to before i go to sleep at night. >> a lot of democrats get mad at me. >> i am cautiously optimistic. >> the vice president and i worked together...
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norquist fellow. did they not realize that you have to have taxes to pay for these two wars that the republicans -- that was george w. bush who was in charge that time -- they started these wars. and yet, they are saying we have to control the spending. the spending is on these wars. so, let congress take a pay cut of about 35%, and take any revenue the dead and take that revenue and put it towards the debt to pay down our debt. our debt is caused by wars, not by social security, not by medicare. we people who work out here, we pay into social security. we pay into medicare. so, let them take a pay cut. if they want to start cutting everybody, how about congress taking a pay cut? thank you for taking my call. host: christian, your message to washington on this deadline day, about 9 1/2 hours before we reached the midline -- the midnight deadline. caller: i do not think we should now go over the fiscal cliff, and i do not think it is responsible whether you are republican or democrat. i think both part
norquist fellow. did they not realize that you have to have taxes to pay for these two wars that the republicans -- that was george w. bush who was in charge that time -- they started these wars. and yet, they are saying we have to control the spending. the spending is on these wars. so, let congress take a pay cut of about 35%, and take any revenue the dead and take that revenue and put it towards the debt to pay down our debt. our debt is caused by wars, not by social security, not by...
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washington is always messed up. >> grover norquist joining us from washington this morning. >> let's talk about the situation we find ourselves in. and the prospect we could go over the fiscal cliff and what specifically that would mean for the u.s. economy. diana is a former labor department chief economist under george w. bush, and senior fellow at the manhattan institute. here at post 9 in new york is rock johnson u.s. senate banking committee, and now at the institute for new economic thinking and senior fellow at the roosevelt institute. how would you explain what is going on at the moment for people sitting at home worried about what's happening in the new year? >> it's the same old stuff in washington. it's just haggle, haggle, haggle. and they're not addressing the real problems of america, which are jobs, productivity, education, science research, and withering infrastructure. this is appalling, and the american people should watch whatever's happening with a sense of disgust. >> you feel clearly very strongly. >> yes. >> why do you think we've got to this stage? what could
washington is always messed up. >> grover norquist joining us from washington this morning. >> let's talk about the situation we find ourselves in. and the prospect we could go over the fiscal cliff and what specifically that would mean for the u.s. economy. diana is a former labor department chief economist under george w. bush, and senior fellow at the manhattan institute. here at post 9 in new york is rock johnson u.s. senate banking committee, and now at the institute for new...
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>>fr progressives don't like grover norquist. now a message to washington. >> this shows how incredibly out of touch you are, are you off in la la land and everybody is saying you are acting like a bunch of spoil brats who are more interested in being wririg than doing the right thing for the people who elected you. tyeah, its the galaxy note ii.re great. you can do two things at the same time. you can watch videos and text. or you could watch the earnings report and take notes, like we're supposed to. so... can i get it? yeah. okay either of you put together the earnings report yet? yes, me totally. what? why don't you tackle the next quarter. you eat yet? polynesian? pu pu platter? yup! keep up the good work. i will keep up the good work. do more with the new samsung galaxy note ii. i've always kept my eye on her... but with so much health care noise, i didn't always watch out for myself. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still going to give me a heart at
>>fr progressives don't like grover norquist. now a message to washington. >> this shows how incredibly out of touch you are, are you off in la la land and everybody is saying you are acting like a bunch of spoil brats who are more interested in being wririg than doing the right thing for the people who elected you. tyeah, its the galaxy note ii.re great. you can do two things at the same time. you can watch videos and text. or you could watch the earnings report and take notes,...
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we talked to steven moore, grover norquist, pat toomey. some just think taxes should never go up on people. others think if you increase taxes it will hurt the economy. that may actually have some truth to it. but there's a tone deafness out there that has now superseded all of this, congressman, and it is -- we just heard mitch mcconnell, i don't know why people say things like this, but they make people wonder about legislators saying on the floor of the senate, i worked all day saturday to get this thing done. there's been -- i can't say this enough times. you have had 516 days to get this done and you have had 12 years to deal with the bush era tax cuts. what's the problem? >> you know, ali, i can't agree with you more. we actually passed a budget in the house back in the springtime, passed it to the senate. the senate was unable to pass a budget at all. they actually voted down the president's budget 97-0. so while the democrats are talking so much about the president's leadership, they did not support him back in the spring. in augus
we talked to steven moore, grover norquist, pat toomey. some just think taxes should never go up on people. others think if you increase taxes it will hurt the economy. that may actually have some truth to it. but there's a tone deafness out there that has now superseded all of this, congressman, and it is -- we just heard mitch mcconnell, i don't know why people say things like this, but they make people wonder about legislators saying on the floor of the senate, i worked all day saturday to...
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they've bought on to grover norquist's no new taxes. and that sort of has set the stage for a complete failure on the broader efforts to deal with taxes and spending. so to avoid this utterly upness artificial fiscal cliff crisis, all they need to do is approve something small. but it's something republicans remain reluctant to do, and will only do, if they do, at the last minute, after having then str t demonstrated to tea party supporters they did everything they could. >> i wonder if we should be surprised. do you see any short term way to fix this? what is your thoughts about the chances here? >> yeah, listen, there are fewer competitive seats. many more safe seats, largely as a result of an idealogical and geographical sorting. gerrymandering contributing it to, but it's by no means the main factor. the things that we can do in the long run, but in the short term, republicans have to feel that they have to change, they have to open their party, broaden the base if they are to avoid falling into permanent minority party status. >> t
they've bought on to grover norquist's no new taxes. and that sort of has set the stage for a complete failure on the broader efforts to deal with taxes and spending. so to avoid this utterly upness artificial fiscal cliff crisis, all they need to do is approve something small. but it's something republicans remain reluctant to do, and will only do, if they do, at the last minute, after having then str t demonstrated to tea party supporters they did everything they could. >> i wonder if...
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we know that grover norquist may or may not have influence, but in the end, what is holding them back from a deal right now? >> one thing that is holding them back is that speaker boehner does not have full control over the conference. he has about 50 votes on the far right of the party that did not back his plan b to set a $1 million threshold. at the end of of the day, if a deal is going to be done, it is only going to happen if the center of both parties comes together. if you make any concessions significant to the democratic base, you will have concessions on the far right as well. that coalition is ultimately what got us across the finish line that ended the whole debacle of the credit rating, and here we are again. there is not that much time. if we go over the cliff, democrats are willing to put forth a bill to save the tax cuts, but it is the dysfunction that is the problem and the lack of predictable and the prediction of brinkmanship that has folks at home furious and it should. >> i am getting a lot of twitter activity on this, and that is the chain cpi and we have heard a
we know that grover norquist may or may not have influence, but in the end, what is holding them back from a deal right now? >> one thing that is holding them back is that speaker boehner does not have full control over the conference. he has about 50 votes on the far right of the party that did not back his plan b to set a $1 million threshold. at the end of of the day, if a deal is going to be done, it is only going to happen if the center of both parties comes together. if you make any...
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a lot of people don't like grover norquist you've defended him. you come from the same place in a lot of things. here's where i take issue. he said increasing taxes avoids the conversation on having the spending discussion. i said i don't think that's causal. i think we can agree we're not having a robust-enough conversation on how to deal with spending in this country and how to make government more efficient. is it a fact by raising taxes we're just not going to have that discussion? >> yeah, i believe so. i believe every time you raise taxes it reduces the pressure to cut spending and i agree with grover on that i want to take issue on one thing you said to grover that i think is a little unfair. the vote we had last week, the job boehner plan b, which actually there was no vote -- >> you know, you've been saying, these guys are just following the instructions of grover nor quest. look, i actually think republicans made a mistake personally in not approving plan b. but you know, the people voted against it are the ones who said they were going
a lot of people don't like grover norquist you've defended him. you come from the same place in a lot of things. here's where i take issue. he said increasing taxes avoids the conversation on having the spending discussion. i said i don't think that's causal. i think we can agree we're not having a robust-enough conversation on how to deal with spending in this country and how to make government more efficient. is it a fact by raising taxes we're just not going to have that discussion? >>...
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one middleman adnan grover norquist. someone who was never even elected. here is a man that has caused all the problems. all of the republicans have signed this pledge, which to me is unconstitutional. without him, we would not be talking today. >> salem, oregon, republican line. you are on the air. caller: good morning. as a college student, and i have listened to every single caller, this is an embarrassing day for our country. i am a first-time job hunter, unemployed, a college student with loans, i am embarrassed and looking at this situation. my life is going to be turned upside down because of this. legislators need to stop bickering with these comments. they need to come together and do something like this. i am embarrassed because of not -- because none of my legislators will do anything about it. >> who are your representatives? caller: [indiscernible] it is embarrassing. it was a good conversation and i said -- is there any way that you couldn't speak on the floor to this issue? he said pc would heat would do. he basically lied to my face. even t
one middleman adnan grover norquist. someone who was never even elected. here is a man that has caused all the problems. all of the republicans have signed this pledge, which to me is unconstitutional. without him, we would not be talking today. >> salem, oregon, republican line. you are on the air. caller: good morning. as a college student, and i have listened to every single caller, this is an embarrassing day for our country. i am a first-time job hunter, unemployed, a college student...
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. >> when ronald reagan was president, grover norquist was in diapers and rush limbaugh was a disk jockey, i think, in st. louis. you have had a hermetically sealed culture grow up on the right in this country that as we saw during the last election, is removed from reality and is extreme in the most egregious way. >> and you don't have to go all the way-- >> it's much further than that. when bill clinton passed that budget deal, he didn't get a single republican vote. and there hasn't been a republican vote for tax increases in 20 years, and if the deal falls apart today-- which i think it probably will-- the reason is there will be no republican votes. even in the senate, much less to the house for a tax increase, which is what they're talking about. >> in the short term there's no political penalty to pay for that, back to your point, i guess, that we re-elected both a democratic president and because-- because of jerry manneddering, so there's no political price to pay so members of congress with vote in the interest of the their constituents and not the best center of the country. >>
. >> when ronald reagan was president, grover norquist was in diapers and rush limbaugh was a disk jockey, i think, in st. louis. you have had a hermetically sealed culture grow up on the right in this country that as we saw during the last election, is removed from reality and is extreme in the most egregious way. >> and you don't have to go all the way-- >> it's much further than that. when bill clinton passed that budget deal, he didn't get a single republican vote. and...